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Thank you, Kathrina.
I stand corrected.I'm glad you mentioned »magic«since there is a mystery to it. **
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From the book:
Affectance in:
- Physics: Ultra-minuscule, mostly randomized electromagnetic pulses wherein »positive« is electrical positive and »negative« is electrical negative potential.
- Psychology: Subtle influences, often random and unintentional wherein »positive« is perceived hope and »negative« is perceived threat.
- Sociology: Subtle information, often uncontrolled and deceptive wherein »positive« is constructively affirming and »negative« is destructively disseminating.
- Physiology: Subtle nutrients, toxins, and EMR, often undetected organic and inorganic chemicals and microwave signals, wherein »positive« is healthy and »negative« is unhealthy.
- Economics: Small exchanges in trade, often unnoticed and unrecorded, wherein »positive« is wealth gain and »negative« is wealth loss.
- Military: Subtle elements of control, often physical, psychological, traditional, or religious intimidation or inspiration wherein »positive« is more control and »negative« is less control. **
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Obsrvr wrote:
»Magnus Anderson wrote:
We're both Slavs. **
That really does explain some of our discussions.
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Glad to have helped. Tho who knows if thats true.
We are all our own number 1, because we matter unto our own selves.. we dont need carers.. we are prim(e)ary unto ourselves. **
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I haven't been away for long.
»You must have been on the MOON (**) too long again. Huh?
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Great Again wrote:
»How does the cell or its environment know what harmonious is and what not? I guess: by affectance. Right?« ** **
Years ago I had that same thought concerning many ontological assertions (before I even knew what an ontology was). And just earlier I was posting with Jacob about his Value-Ontology wherein he asserts that even photons self-value. - How could a photon do any kind of valuing at all, right?
But what I realized is that in all of these ontologies even from ancient times, when they claim that something seeks or chooses they don't mean to say that the entity actually weighs its options and consciously chooses one over another - but rather the entity inherently behaves as if it was consciously and knowingly choosing.
They have been doing that with electricity and water in saying that it »seeks the path of least resistance« - as if it was consciously choosing a path. Apparently they were doing that with the gods, the devil, angels, a variety of science principles, computers (»prompting you« - »seeking the solution«) and now with Affectance Ontology (particles "seeking anentropy") and Value Ontology (»seeking self-values«). **
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Money and the mathematics it is founded upon is but another linguistic form .... **
Francis Parker Yockey wrote:
»It was precisely in the fields of economics and law that the Liberal doctrine had the most destructive effects on the health of the Western Civilization. It did not matter much that esthetics became independent, for the only art-form in the West which still had a future, Western Music, paid no attention to theories and continued on its grand creative course to its end in Wagner and his epigones. Baudelaire is the great symbol of lart pour lart: sickness as beauty. Baudelaire is thus Liberalism in literature, disease as a principle of Life, crisis as health, morbidity as soul-life, disintegration as purpose.
Man as individualist, an atom without connections, the Liberal ideal of personality. It was in fields of action rather than of thought that the injury was greatest.« **
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Kathrina wrote:
»Or with natural selection: nature is selecting!« ** **
Right. It is like a presumption of purpose or intent - a suspicion of consciousness - a superstition when no other understanding is apparent when actually it is all natural »forces« balancing out something that has become imbalanced. **
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Long ago just prior to Newton's fame, the enlightenment era crew, now called »scientists«, proposed that objects of mass (weight and inertia) were attracted to each other by a mysterious »force« to be called »gravity«. Newton became famous by forming a means of measuring the effect of this »force of gravity« so that it could be tested with a variety of mass objects. And after doing such testing, it was discovered that sure enough, masses did seem to behave as though there was a mysterious force attracting them and related to the amount of mass of each object.
A superstition is a concept superimposed onto an observable physical event so as to »stitch together« the event and the cause of the event. In more ancient times such superstitions were called »gods«, an invisible controller of events and the forces were the »magic« due to them being invisible yet causing sometimes surprising events. And not being visible or understood by the common people, they were »super-natural«, forces that are not themselves physical yet govern physical events.
The »force of gravity« was in fact one of these »superstitious, supernatural forces«. And because the cause and the event of mass attraction could be reliably measured, it was accepted that the »force of gravity was in fact a certain physical existence, even though never directly seen or see-able.
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Rational Metaphysics: Affectance Ontology is a particular understanding of affects, all and any affects. And what we call »mass attraction« or »the effect of the force of gravity«is certainly an affect to be understood. And we all know that such an affect really does occur. It is objectively testable and very observable. So what is the understanding concerning how that magic force works?
Science is all about finding the reasons behind anything and everything through independent investigation and study. And as it turns out, that magic force, spooky action at a distance, »force of gravity«is found in RM:AO to not actually exist at all. The behavior akin to mass attraction certainly happens, but there is no actual force involved. The »Force of Gravity«, that »spooky action at a distance«, doesn't actually exist as a real entity, merely an aberrant effect of other formerly not explained nor imagined events. In that regard, Einstein, Lorentz, Maxwell, and others were right. The Force of Gravity, the god of mass attraction, is a superstition cast into the world due to reliable correlation data rather than complete rational thinking.
Very briefly, what is actually happening (provably so) is that each and every mass is a concentration of the very same substance that exists between every mass and other masses. In modern physics terms, that substance could be called »ultra-minuscule electromagnetic pulses«. In RM:AO, it is referred to as simply »Affectance« (meaning »subtle influence«) and is measurable and explainable as to why it exists and precisely how it behaves. What is called a »sub-atomic particle« is merely a concentration of that substance and is constantly reconstituting itself by releasing and absorbing tiny portions of Affectance (»ultra-minuscule electromagnetic pulses«).
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Kathrina wrote:
»My tribe's ancestors have always, for at least the last 200000 years (except the last 1000 to 200 years ), believed that there are many gods.« ** **
Define »gods«.
»God« goes back to the Germanic *guda (»god«), which in turn goes back to the Indo-Germanic *ghau (»to call«) and originally meant »the being which is called (by magic word)«. ** **
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Christian is not Faustian. **
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Kathrina wrote:
»Perhaps you would agree when I said that truth can also refer to the ideal or spiritual realm, that is, it does not have to refer to the real or material realm alone.« ** **
I don't understand why you are saying that. Truth is founded in the ideal/divine/conceptual realm. **
James S Saint, Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:36 pm, wrote:
»....Truth (meaning »Reality«, »Your Real Situation«).« **
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It would seem to me that the word holds no logical singular meaning; as with many words in the English language. **
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I am not sure Sculptor is a troll. He seems to be merely unpleasant (not that such should be tolerated.) Lev Muishkin was worse, I think. **
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Sleyor Wellhuxwell wrote:
I voted yes, although I am not for a big control, as you can imagine.
In the US, everyone seems to be fighting everyone (as in Hobbes' time in England) - the differences are in the technical and economic possibilities as well as in the composition of the society and the age of the culture. In the USA skin colors fight against one skin color, upper and lower class against middle class, women against men, young against old, atheists and non-Christians against Christians, left against right, progressives against conservatives, homosexuals and transsexuals against heterosexuals. (Soon also machines against humans? Or again animals against humans?). Although, no because we are doing so well, everybody is fighting everybody.
But this is not unique to the US, it is true wherever there are Westerners. This is not a coincidence. In the USA it is - at the moment in any case - only worse than in the other nations of the West.
The internet promised so much in the beginning and not only failed to deliver on any of that promise but brought more and more autism, asociality, lack of independence, dictatorship, censorship, prohibition, banning.
The reason why almost no moderation can be found here is that almost no one wants to have and show responsibility out of fear. Maybe Carleas is already in prison? For us (is he like Jesus on the cross?)?
The fear goes around. ** **
Does autism really have as much to do with it as you think? I would suggest most of the people that appear autistic are just fucking idiots and/or sociopaths. **
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Historical pseudomorphoses I call cases in which a foreign culture lies so powerfully over the country that a young one, which is at home here, cannot catch its breath and not only does not attain to any formation of pure, own forms of expression, but not even to the full development of its self-consciousness. Everything that rises from the depths of an early soul is poured into the hollow forms of alien life; young feelings freeze in ancient works, and instead of the awakening of one's own creative power, only hatred against the distant power grows to gigantic size. This is the case of the Arab culture. Its prehistory lies entirely in the realm of the ancient Babylonian civilization, which for two millennia has been the prey of changing conquerors.
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Ancient Rome - short, simplified interpretation of what happened in the 2nd and 1st centuries BC..*
The construction of the Roman state could not suffice in the long run for the domination and administration of the growing world empire. Moreover, the prosperities that streamed into Italy from the plunder of wars and the exploitation of Rome's supremacy, and the sunny influences of the quite different Hellenistic world on Rome, which was still quite simple around 200 A.D., brought about internal and moral changes that greatly affected not only the ancient Roman state mentality, but the entire internal structure of Roman life.
The competition of cheap overseas grain from taxation and the influx of money in the Roman upper class, which had to seek investment primarily in landed property, and other related developments worked in the direction of the shrinking of the peasant middle class of the Roman citizenry. This, with the shrinking of the legions' recruiting base and, at the same time, ever-increasing military tasks, directly touched the foundations of Roman rule and conjured up other clearly visible dangers. The reform attempt of the Gracchi, who wanted to counteract this development by resettling peasants on available state land, failed for various reasons and, with its side effects, led to the outbreak of civil war-like processes (and thus civil wars in general) and a disastrous tension between the estates of the Roman people.
Marius drew from this situation the other conclusion, for the formation of the army needed for the colonial war against Jugurtha in North Africa and then against the Germanic threat in the north and in the west, no longer to resort to conscription of the middle classes of the Roman people, but to form his army by recruitment. In order to be successful, Marius had to offer the recruits not only a short-term military service, but also a kind of life position. The recruits thus became professional soldiers with at least twenty years of service, who then also demanded to be provided for somehow for their further life after their discharge. It is natural that these new professional soldiers came primarily from the proletariat, which, moreover, streamed to Rome in ever-increasing numbers from Germania, Gaul, North Africa and the Hellenistic states, and according to established Roman ideas, this immediately had further consequences.
One of those consequences was that the bonds between the soldiers and the commander became closer and closer. Another consequence was that with this ominous aggravation of the internal political antagonisms, the interest of the leading class in Rome shifted completely to these personal power struggles (private wars!) and intrigues, and they no longer paid sufficient attention to the developments in the external sphere of Rome's power and let them drive to real catastrophes like the domination of the whole Mediterranean Sea by the pirates and the conquest of Asia Minor by Mithridates with the murder of all the Romans in the country (at least 80000; cp. Vesper of Ephesus).
Here, the most serious mistake of the republican Roman leadership took its revenge on Rome itself, the lack of interest in the provinces, which one as a lower subject country did not really think had to worry about and in which one therefore allowed to happen, about which one did not really think to have to care about as an subject country and in which one therefore let happen what then led to the fall of the republic itself. The unrestricted power and self-importance of the Roman imperial leaders in the provinces, which did not directly affect Roman citizens and therefore did not seem to be particularly disturbing, had the consequence that the great military leaders in the provinces and on the borders of the Roman Empire were able to act almost freely and, in the wars they led, created the great armies and turned them into tools of their policy, with which they could conquer Rome from the provinces.
* Roman civil wars: 133-30 BC.
(From: Ernst Meyer, Einführung in die antike Staatskunde, 1968, S. 218-220; translated by me).
Please compare, taking into account, of course, the differences owed to occidental modernity. ** **
1) | There was a heavy burden on the Italic peasantry (middle class) because (a) they had to provide the soldiers for the great wars and (b) they were at a competitive disadvantage because of the overseas grain. |
2) | Marius therefore formed a private army. |
3) | The upper class of Rome only cared about the disputes in Rome and neglected the foreign territories. |
4) | Rome was increasingly threatened from outside by private armies, first by Sulla's private army. |
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Do you also refer to any patterns of history? ** **
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Meno wrote:
»What's the most necessary relation between troll and suckpuppet , for can a poster be indicative of both?
Im sure there are hybreds, and by consequence, would they not be the most xxxxx ( expletive)?« **
A sock puppet is just an alternative account from what I am led to believe.
Wikipedia wrote:
»A sock puppet or sockpuppet is an online identity used for purposes of deception. The term, a reference to the manipulation of a simple hand puppet made from a sock, originally referred to a false identity assumed by a member of an internet community who spoke to, or about, themselves while pretending to be another person.« **
A troll could use an alternative account. **
What annoys a poster more: the troll or the sock-puppet?
Trolls and sock-puppets are functions of a strategy.
This petition is to ban someone who is considered a troll, isn't it? ** **
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If I had another account, I could troll myself.
Ignore everybody else?
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Otto wrote:
»I think of the problems that the so-called social media in particular have brought: internet communism, e.g. total surveillance through AI censorship, neo-speech, cash withdrawal through digital money, just communism.« ** **
I couldn't agree more. Another aspect of the internet that I dislike is that it creates isolation. **
People start to depend on the internet for socialising or for business instead of talking to people face to face. Nowadays people increasingly experience life second hand through the internet. I once heard a man on the radio say that he did not have to go out into the world because google brings the world to his living room. **
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