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Arminius wrote:
»Pain belongs to life, yes, but it is also true that life, especially in the case of human beings, tries to reduce or overcome pain, for example by taking drugs, by inventing, implementing, applying medicine.« ** **
And so no real evolution. The mind may change but, the body is hindered. **
Arminius wrote
»The ISS is such an »absolute island«. There is no natural environment inside the ISS, everything is human-made, thus artificial (cultural), even the air that the humans breathe. So the environment inside the ISS is an absolutely artificial (cultural) environment. The natural environment is completely outside the ISS. If there were a natural environment inside the ISS, then the humans who are inside the ISS would immediately die.
There are more than this human-made islands, some are absolute, for example spaceships or the ISS, the others are relative, for example the atmospheric islands:
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As long as all these islands will exist and will contradict their ocean nature they will also have their own order within their own boundaries. If you replace the natural environment by an artificial (cultural) environment, then you have created an artificial isolation of natural selection - either absolutely or relaitively.« ** **
If you live in an artificial environment like the ISS, the natural environment is even deadly for you. An astronaut is immediately dead after leaving the ISS (artificial environment) without any other artificial environment (at least the astronaut suit). ** **
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Life resists entropy. Otherwise it would not be capable of self-preservation and would decay, thus die. Self-preservation means preservation of the competences during the actual life, whereas reproduction means preservation of the competences beypond the own life. There are three evolution principles: (1) variation, (2) reproduction, (3) reproduction interest. Living beings get recources out of their environment in order to reproduce their competences by the resources of the environment, thus to preserve (conserve) and renew their competences. So they strive to reproduce their competences.
According to this the meaning of life is the avoidance of the loss of the competences.
If you have the impression that you are not needed anymore, then you have the impression of the loss of your competences.
Note: »Competences« means more than »fitness«, it is more like »capital«, »power«, »acceptance«, »appreceation«. ** **
James S. Saint wrote:
».... He is referring to your abilities (competencies«, skills, talents, social prospects). Some are passed on through DNA. Some are taught, trained, or conditioned.« **
Exactly.
It is based on information.
There are many different information memories (storages), two of them are biological (genetical and neurological) - genes and memes (short-term and long-term) -, all others are cultural (artificial) like all culturally made things, for example books / libraries, pictures, photographs, audiotapes, videotapes, memories of computer, robots, androids. ** **
Arminius wrote:
»If you consider this, especially the tendency of each organism (living being) and each super-organism to avoid the loss of competences, then many current problems, also and especially the feminism or the plunder and destruction of our planet, can be understood and explained in an easier way.
It is a systemic evolution theory or philosophy.« ** **
If you meant that the way that I suspect, you are very right. The focus upon sustaining and/or maintaining rather than upon aggressing, alters perspective and incentive. Although there are a few situations wherein one must aggress in order to merely maintain.
The truth is that people are only inspired to aggress when inspired from others, as often their »friends« as their »enemies«. And that too is a old philosophy concerning how to get Man to make »progress«. There was always a better way. It merely wasn't discovered in time to prevent gross aggression from becoming the normal and expected (aka »wars«). **
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By the way: One can try to apply the dialectic process to Hegels dialectic itself. If we say that Hegels dialectic is anti-analytic and the analytic philosophy anti-dialectic, then there are thesis and antithesis in two ways, but we do not really know which one of them starts at first as thesis. Starting at first is an advantage. So which one is the one with that advantage? If we will never know this, then we will have to state that both remain just opposites, because it would be unfair to say this or that one starts at first. But, in that case, it is also problematic to say what the synthesis is. The first one (thesis) with the advantage will always say that the second one (antithesis) is somehow »false« or »evil«, so that the first one will always make a major contribution to the synthesis. ** **
In an earlier day, the rich lived at the expense of the poor, directly and unequivocally; in a modern economy, unproductive citizens increasingly live at the expense of productive onesthough in an equivocal way, since they are told, and believe, that they are disadvantaged and deserve more still. Today, in fact, a good half of the population of every modern nation is made up of people with little or no income, who are exempt from taxes and live, to a large extent, off the other half of the population, which pays taxes. If such a situation were to be radicalized, it could give rise to massive social conflict. The eminently plausible free-market thesis of exploitation by the unproductive would then have prevailed over the much less promising socialist thesis of the exploitation of labor by capital.
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The founder of the modern mathematical logic (=> logistic, symbolic logic ...) was Gottlieb Frege (1848-1925), the spiritual father of Bertrand Russel (1872-1970) and of Ludwig Wittgenstein (1889-1951). ** **
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1) Dark blue: Instinct brain.
2) Pink: Kleinhirn (cerebellum).
3) Red: Emotion brain.
4) Light blue: Reason brain.Now, neurologically and psychoanalytically, Freud would perhaps say that the instinct brain is neurologically what the Es (English: Id) and das Unbewußte (English: the unconscious) psychoanalytically is, that the reason brain is what the Ich (in English: I, egoself) and das Bewußte (English: the conscious) psychoanalytically is. ** **
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JSS,
(Not you Arm, not in the mood for your shenanigans) .... **
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Being told that you are wrong is an attack, are you a democrat? I have been speaking to the content .... **
JSS,
@B (not C ...).
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Arminius wrote:
»One can also say that the consciousness itself is the owner - it depends on the so-called point of view.« ** **
Then that leads back to the question, »Who/what is doing the finding?« **
Arminius wrote:
»This was the exact reason why I opened a thread dealing with a superconsciousness. Do you remember?« ** **
Within which I could never figure out if you meant »super« as in greater or »super« as in beyond. **
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Consciousness is the immediately findable total content of the spiritual and emotional (affective) experience. ** **
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Phyllo wrote:
»The white male has three targets on his back - racist, sexist, homophobic.
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White males are what Jews were to National Socialist Germany towards the current Marxists in power all over the globe.
When you look at the declining birthrates of Europeans everywhere one could say that is genocidal. I'm still waiting for a European holocaust of the future where 'white' people are targeted violently on a grand collective scale.
We need to round up all the 'evil' white people.... **
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There is more than just Eastern and Western thought. **
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Our origin is still unknown it seems, but Mars is still a possibility .... **
The general claim of Däniken over several published books, starting with Chariots of the Gods? in 1968, is that extraterrestrials or »ancient astronauts« visited Earth and influenced early human culture. Däniken writes about his belief that structures such as the Egyptian pyramids, Stonehenge, and the Moai of Easter Island and artifacts from that period represent higher technological knowledge than is presumed to have existed at the times they were manufactured. He also describes ancient artwork throughout the world as containing depictions of astronauts, air and space vehicles, extraterrestrials, and complex technology. Däniken explains the origins of religions as reactions to contact with an alien race, and offers interpretations of sections of the Old Testament of the Bible (See also Ark of the Covenant and The Spaceships of Ezekiel). **
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I think there a few things to discuss before we get into intentionality. Western philosophy has a lot more (instrumental breakthroughs in science, political progression, reasoned arguments) to show for itself .... **
It has always been very difficult for me to see Eastern philosophies separate from religious dogmatism. Most Western philosophies .... present themselves as historically isolated attempts at extensively responding to and reasoning new philosophies. **
Maybe it is only a matter of individual vs. holistic philosophy and psychology, but even then, I prefer the former. **
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Arminius wrote:
»It is not possible to get rid of Hegel. Take, for example, his dialectic. The dialectic process is not unreal and not merely logical (theoretical) but also ontological (factual).« ** **
I agree. Hegel was a channel through which the structural basis of the content of thought manifested. You can't get rid of something basically and imminently is the basis through which it arose in the first place. **
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The church was right in suppressing science, after all. **
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I recommend Richard Duncan, UK prominent transhumanist and speaking of the transhumanist agenda that regards us as cattle, at the bases conference, and warning us that only 10-15% of population will be welcome in the club. Agenda 21 is here ....
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